Chris Treborn, Joel Osteen, Billy Graham.
Can these three preachers of the Gospel be in the same boat?
Are the lyrics of a Christian Rapper who never raps about sin or negativity considered “Prosperity Gospel”? Is he a false teacher?
If so, that would be me. But I am the kind of guy who knows sin is a discussion that must be had and we need to know that there is more to God and Jesus than streets of gold, white robes and perfect rainbows.
I quote THISL; “why would I rap about something that in through with” that’s so foolish. Yet, there has been this movement in Christian Rap which glorifies sin & our past mistakes. Not that I am against rappers speaking on what they have overcame through Christ and be saved FROM. I think their approach is useful when sharing their music with unbelievers. This is how the whole Christian that Raps versus Rapper thats Christian came into place.
This began around the time two of our greatest fell into sin. Confused I wondered what this meant since Lecrae always rapped about we are not slaves of sin, now we are slaves of righteousness. Well, a righteous did just sinned agains his wife, church, & God. Now what?
But whatever. Let’s talk about False Teachers and the False Gospel they are pushing like blue-shirted people pushing fruit that begins with the letter A.
Read the original blog —> HERE! <— to understand what I am conflicted about.
Here are my thoughts (in my opinion) concerning Osteen and his friends.
1. Saving a million people doesn’t mean they will continue the Christian walk or be discipled.
2. Billy Graham too was pro Romney (even though he was Mormon) and he has been the same thing as Osteen for people.
I went to a BGC event and was encouraged but wasn’t saved or discipled. It was pro-Christ but it wasn’t anything like what Paul did for the church. But I don’t recall if Billy Graham preached on confessing sin and all that. But I’m sure he was more anti-sin than Osteen is.
So compare apples and oranges.
I think it might be more about being able to point out false teachers and questioning preachers in love, but still questioning.
I think it’s more about being able to Point out false teachers and questioning preachers in love, but still questioning.
3. I rap about positive stuff and not about sin.
Am I in the same boat as Osteen?
4. Positive gospel yeah. But is it technically Prosperity gospel?
Are we talking blessings and gifts beyond salvation? Do we get money? Do we get health?
5. If we were preaching goodness and such. Shouldn’t we sell our mega church to feed the hungry or house the homeless?
What is Osteen doing in his community? What is his budget and where does his money go? Tithes and offerings.
In the same way OUR church should be resourcing their offerings to bless ministries in our ‘hood.
It’s all about stewardship as the shepherd of your church or leader of your congregation / team / pastors. Etc. Just like the father of a family. He is the captain of the ship and if it begins to sink, it’s all on him, right?
6. Philip’s blog was obviously defensive.
But he was never able to clearly point out the GOOD & POSITIVE messages Osteen supposedly preaches. He only said “don’t be haters”, funny because he is the one wanting people to preach positivity and what we are for – which for him is Osteen – instead of what we are against – oh you min like sin & false preachers?
He also never pointed out any negative statements made against Osteen besides “being controversial”. As if he was beating around the bush or the real subject of matter – which I mentioned in the above.
7. What is the point he is trying to make? Don’t hate on Osteen?
He says that haters hate without thinking first. As if we want to attack anyone that is cancerous to the body of Christ. But we can hate cancer right away without researching it first, can’t we? That’s what “haters” of Osteen are doing. I think.
They have seen “cancer” before and point it out because it looks familiar. Yes he looks like TD Jakes. Yes he looks like Paula White. Yes he looks like Joyce Meyer. Yes he looks like Benny Hinn. Yes he looks like Creflo Dollar. Yes, even Pastor Dollar.
He is in Texas where megachurches and high rollers exists. So the shoe fits.
Now if he mentioned specific attacks or attackers then we can debate him on it. But he mentioned nothing of significance.
Yes. We should question people like Osteen in love and in truth from a biblical standpoint.
I think the blog was more about, don’t talk ill about other Christians, which of course is true in itself. But we should be able to speak out against what we feel is not true in the body of Christ.
What Philip is talking about is “let’s speak about what we are for and not against”.
I feel like he used Joel as an example, but he didn’t actually point out what people hate him for, I don’t think that it’s because he preaches the “positive” gospel. I think it’s because he preaches the “prosperity” gospel. Which is NOT right! He is mistaking one for the other. He is calling it the wrong thing. People are calling it out because it IS wrong. Not because it is positive. People are seeing through it. Seeing the truth!
8. Well, Lecrae (& Shai Linne) would totally disagree with Philip. We can’t preach Christ and then not teach Christ.
Saving souls is not our mission.
Our mission is to make Disciples of all nations. Have we even made them in our own nation? Missions exists because worship doesn’t.
Many rappers (like KanYe) claim they are saved Christians yet they don’t worship the God who made them. As if God is cool with all the sin in their lives.
I can debate the entire blog with quotes from Lecrae songs if needed.
Speaking of quoting songs, if I wanted to I could quote Master P for Philip Wagner by saying “we ain’t never talk bout (others) on records!” or maybe not.
9. Loving thy neighbor. Yeah. Agree to disagree with our neighbor.
If we want to love our neighbor we need to speak nicely of our Mormon neighbors first and foremost.
Most of them don’t know they are wrong! They are just living life. Even though their leaders are misleading them.
10. In conclusion of our discussion…
If a family member has a smoking issue and it’s hurting them or those around them, we should be able to approach them (in love of course) about the issue and point out that it’s hurting others.
They can say it relieves stress so it’s a positive thing. Yeah, well long term results are worse than temporary results.
We as a part of the body need to point out each other’s sin so they can correct their misguided ways. We want to build the body right?
I’m not saying cut off limbs. But cancer has to be addressed and dealt with.
In the same way dying limbs must be pruned so that they can grow again properly. Otherwise it will rot and eventually reach the core and rot the rest of the tree.
So we should definitely say to Osteen, “Hey bro. Good job being positive, but we need you to improve your discipline, theology and your Gospel! We can only boast in Christ crucified!”